Wednesday, 11 January 2017

How I'm treated because I believe Jesus already returned......


I’m almost at a total loss.  So many people talk about how Christians are so closed minded and I try and defend Christians on this argument – but the way I’ve been talked to in regards to my Christian beliefs – I can now understand where people are coming from.

 

Yes, I am a Christian, but I’m not a fundamental Christian – perhaps Conservative, BUT I don’t even think that fits the bill.  We call ourselves believers of fulfilled eschatology, and eschatology is “the study of end times” if you will.  In simple terms I believe the entire Bible has been fulfilled and therefore – there won’t be a future second coming of Jesus.

 

So as a result of this – I’ve been told many things:  “You’re believing another gospel and Paul warned us about that”; “that doesn’t make any sense”; “your beliefs are false”; oh and let’s not forget “I’ll pray that God brings you back to repentance”.

 

I almost can’t believe what I’m being told.  The main reason being – the people who say these things don’t even try and understand why I believe what I do.  So instead of trying to understand my beliefs I guess it’s easier to say the things I mentioned above.  How can you love me as your neighbor if you don't understand where I'm coming from?

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Clearly – these people forget or disregard the part when I tell them “I used to believe what you do, BUT I had too many questions that nobody could answer, so after I praying one day, literally the next day I discovered this”.  So to tell me to turn back to what you used to believe – means I have to go back to reading Bible verses from a certain perspective and again the questions I had before come back and nobody is able to answer them.  Then they say “Well ask God about it” – and as you can see we come back right full circle.

 

I used to believe in a future Second coming of Jesus.  I used to believe in a rapture and trust me, I studied it over and over.  The thing is – I no longer believe in a future second coming of Jesus. 

 

In simple terms here’s what I believe……Jesus spoke to his disciples and apostles around 30ad – saying he would return in the future and that His generation shouldn’t pass until he returned.  So in 70AD – there was a destruction of the temple.  Jerusalem was surrounded by armies(romans) and yes there was a war.  So in 70AD(Future from 30AD) – I believe is when Jesus returned.

 

So – things like the Apostles creed – Yeah I don’t believe parts of it because it says “he will come again to judge the living and the dead” – well I don’t believe that.  So it’s even more difficult to try and find a church that doesn’t have these “futurist” type of beliefs and/or teachings.

 

So to understand my beliefs – you need to start with that.  To disprove them – you have to show me from my paradigm why my beliefs are wrong.  While reading the Bible from this paradigm – I haven’t had any questions that I can think of.  By trying to disprove my beliefs based on questions you now have that you can no longer answer – doesn’t mean my belief isn’t true.  It just means that your belief may not align with this paradigm.

 

So again – Christians judge me because I’m not open to their beliefs.  Trust me – I’m open to hearing about it.  The thing is – I already know everything about it.  The question is – what do you know about my beliefs other than what you watched and/or read on the internet.

 

So people say my beliefs are a “new belief system” and I shouldn’t believe it because it’s “another gospel”.

 

SO let’s start here:

2 Peter 1:20 states:  Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

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So – this would mean that what Jesus said 2000 years ago – would have to have the same meaning then as it does today.  Right?

 

So – 2000 years ago Jesus said these things:

Matthew 24:34  Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Luke 21:32  Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

Mark 8:12  And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and said, Why does this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this generation.

Mark 13:30  Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

 

What did “this generation” mean when Jesus said this to people 2000 years ago?  It meant that generation of his time, right?

 

Interesting how Mark 8:12 answers this for us – with the help of the content from it’s former verse:

Mark 8:11 And the Pharisees came forth, and began to question with him, seeking of him a sign from heaven, tempting him.

 

To which Jesus says:  Why does this generation seek after a sign?

 

Somehow – futurists magically make Matthew 24:34 to be “that generation”.

 

Compound all of this with Matthew 16:28 – and BAM I don’t know any 2000 year old person standing on the earth – which means I guess the Son of man coming in his kingdom has already happened – OR this verse makes Jesus to be a liar.

 

Now – does it all line up with “his generation” – yes I’d say so.

 

So before condemning my beliefs – start answering these questions and perhaps you can lure me back to a Future second coming of Jesus:

  • How does “this generation” all of a sudden become a generation in the future – when in every other passage it’s referring to the generation of Jesus’ day.
  • Why isn’t there any 2000 year old people walking the earth?  Didn’t Jesus also reference this in John?  I don’t see apostle John walking the earth
  • Why don’t we have to live by the law anymore?  See Matthew 5:17-18 for this

 

Keep in mind that 2 Peter 1:20 states:  Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.   So – I don’t want to be reading ideas nor having “this is what was taught by the elders” – I’d like to read good sound biblical evidence.

 

So – with that said, if you want me to believe your beliefs you need to disprove my beliefs and not just simply discard them by saying they’re false and that I should repent.